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Hello all...

Don't mind me, I just thought for once I would try something new...Like starting my own thread for a change!

There's been sooooo much talk about the upcoming AFC Championship game that in my humble opinion has resulted in getting everyone off the beaten path with regard to tried and true handicapping axioms.

I've seen alot of people spewing out meaningless stats and trends from the 1970's or 1980's while others are posting systems that include data that dates back to the 1960's.

The fact of the matter is that with the advent of "Free Agency" and in this day and age of the salary cap, virtually all stats, trends and systems that go back past the three or four year mark are quite meaningless in nature, the reason of course is that players now bounce around from team to team all for the sake of the all mighty dollar thus rendering long term stats, trends and systems almost useless.

The advent of Free Agency and the salary cap has produced "Parity" in the good ole NFL which is good for the league in that it promotes the concept that each and every team in the league has a chance to go from the out house to the penthouse from one year to the next and parity is also good for the NFL's fan base who spends millions of dollars on a yearly basis in ticket sales and team merchandise.

Parity in the NFL created by free agency and the salary cap has also made it tougher to handicap games on a general basis because each team now lacks depth at the skill positions which means that a handicapper must have a better handle on each teams injury situation and how it relates to their upcoming game in terms of match up problems.

In my humble opinion most run of the mill handicappers today either do not understand team matchups and how to handicap them or they simply ignore team matchups because of the fact that its more time consuming to handicap games with regard to how one team matches up against the other.

I personally have found the best way around the parity issue with regard to having the best handicapping success, is to simply key in on divisional matchups.

The reason of course is that divisional opponents face each other twice yearly and over the course of a three year span will face each other a minimum of six times...meaning that you will have many more head to head matchups to compare and see what adjustments each team made from the first meeting to the second meeting.

Thus, those that claim the results of an earlier same season meeting makes no difference with regard to how one should view the second meeting are really missing the boat in my opinion.

Think about it for a second, if Team A couldn't handle the pass rush of Team B in the first meeing, what would you expect Team A to do in the second meeting?....Probably install a "Max Protect" package right?....which means that Team A will have less recievers going downfield and will probably lead to a lower scoring game than in the first meeting.

Here's another example, if Team A had success throwing the ball deep in the first meeting versus Team B wouldn't you expect Team B to employ more of a zone package in their defensive secondary coupled with a few zone blitzes here and there?....which means that Team A should be able to have a better day running the ball or will be forced to use short screens.

The point I am trying to make is that in this day and age...ITS ALL ABOUT MATCHUPS...those willing to take a little time and research the stats from the first same season meeting and see what Team A did to Team B and visa versa and then project how this will relate to the second meeting will win many more wagers than they will lose over the long haul.

Now with regard to the upcoming Steeler and patriot matchup....

Credit has to be given to the Patriots for winning two of the past three Super Bowls and in my opinion the Patriots are actually fielding a stronger team this year than in either of their Super Bowl years, however, for the most part the Patriots have been able to pull games out by using "Smoke and Mirrors" to mask their weaknesses.

Saying that the Patriots have won more than a few games using "Smoke and Mirrors" is not meant to slight them in any way, actually its a compliment to their coaching staff and what they've been able to achieve with regard to playing backups and moving other players around to mask injury concerns and/or mask weaknesses that may have been exposed by whatever team they were scheduled to face that particular week.

However, Pittsburgh was able to do the very same things this season and the Steelers are now in the Patriots heads due to the beating Pittsburgh dished out earlier this season with their running game, doubt is a powerful thing and I think this is key when the patriots visit Pittsburgh, on the other hand confidence is a good thing and the Steelers are oozing it out from all sides.

New England backers can point to the fact that the Patriots were without RB Corey Dillon when they were beaten in Pittsburgh and that the Patriot defensive secondary was not intact, however, the fact remains that New England was only able to rush for 5 yards against Pittsburgh while the Steelers rushed for 221 yards against New England and no matter how you want to slice it.....that's dominance.

The point is that Pittsburgh beat New England at the point of attack, the Steelers controlled what happened on both sides of the ball with their offensive and defensive line play, meaning that Dillon playing in the rematch won't matter that much because New England was beaten at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.


The patriots do have a huge edge with Brady under center versus Roethlisberger because of the experience factor but that will be somewhat negated because these teams will meet in Pittsburgh for the AFC Championship game, patriot HC Bill Belichick rates higher than Steeler HC Bill Cowher but in the end it always comes down to players and matchups.

Opposing QB's have completed 58.6% of their passes against the patriots ( 11th in the NFL ) while Pittsburgh only allows 55.6% ( 4th in the NFL ), when it comes to rushing defense Pittsburgh is ranked #1 in the NFL allowing 81 yards per game with a per pop average of 3.6, meanwhile, the patriots are ranked 6th and allow 99 yards per game with a per pop average of 3.9.

Pittsburgh is better than new england in virtually every defensive statisical category this season, however, the patriots do out stat the Steelers offensively in terms of total passing and rushing yards 357 to 324 but this is because Pittsburgh is more of a rushing team while the patriots are more of a passing team.

In the end Pittsburgh rates the edge over the patriots because the stats bear out that the Steelers offense should have success against the new england defense while the patriot offense will in all likelyhood struggle against Pittsburghs defense.


My money is on Pittsburgh +3 and I also grabbed Pittsburgh on the Moneyline as well,


take care and good luck!

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Beautiful write-up, Deb. You are obviously a fundamental capper looking at match-ups more than statistics and situations. While your logic is quite convincing, I have a few questions for you.

1. The Steelers are "oozing" confidence? Really? Did you see the faces on the sidelines when Brien lined up for not one but TWO field goal attempts, either of which would have iced the game for the Jets? The Steelers' players all had the same look of horror and doubt on their faces, as if to say "Oh my God, we blew it again."

2. According to your logic, the Steelers are likely to win because they won the first meeting. (I am paraphrasing, Deb.) The Steelers "should have" owned the Jets in the second meeting as well. Granted, they dominated in every statistical category except for the scoreboard, but that is precisely the point.....in a sporting contest, there are many intangibles and "lucky" (or unlucky) bounces and big plays that can turn the whole game around. If NE and Miami played again today, would you put your $$ on Miami to win again?

3. I give the psychological edge to the Patriots. They did get smoked in Pitt earlier this season, but they have the pedigree and confidence to evaluate that game, look at why they lost (turnovers, unbalanced offensive attack, etc.) and bounce back even stronger than before, they have done it time and time again after a loss or sub-par performance. Pitt has the confidence of home field advantage and the previous win over NE, but the monkey is on their collective backs to "not blow it" again for the fans and the franchise.

#3 might end up being the biggest factor. If you have ever played competitive sports, Deb, you know well that once you stop playing in the balls-out give 100% be aggressive mode, and you switch to the "please don't blow this game!" mode, bad things start to happen. I can see Pitt late in the game folding under the pressure. Maybe they'll be up 20-7 late in the game and it won't matter, but if they're down 17-10, their knees might be shaking.

Again, excellent analysis--I have really enjoyed your contributions in other threads, nice to see you starting your own. :suomi:
 

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Deb.....nice write-up. But watch out w/talking about "meaningless stats" and then saying "opposing QB's have completed 58.6% of their passes against the patriot while Pittsburgh only allows 55.6." Wow, really? 3 points more? I mean really, who cares.

As to your game analysis, think you're missing it with the "smoke & mirrors" idea. You can only bluff for a game or two--that's not what's getting it done for the Pats. If Tyrone Poole came back 100% tomorrow, he wouldn't start. Randall Gay's a better ballplayer. Ty Law would play, of course, but the drop-off to Asante Samuel isn't as huge as you might think. Don't fall into the trap of thinking the Pats aren't healthy.

You're referencing the first Pitt-NE game....BIG MISTAKE. It's really meaningless. Get this--Ty Law, Corey Dillon, and Matt Light (stalwart of the O-Line) went out THAT DAY. BELIEVE me, and I say this to help, THROW THAT GAME OUT.

I think you've already made your plays--and hell, there's a huge snow storm coming, you never know--but if you want some good advice, if you have played on the Steelers, reverse it, write off the juice and play the Pats. New England wins this game.
 

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Hello, I enjoyed the post.

Deb, as you noted Pittsburgh has the better rushing stats over the course of the season.

However, after a slow start New England's rushing D has stepped it up! Since the Pitt game they are only allowing 75 yards rushing per game, which is six ypg better than Pitt's league-leading unit. If you discard the stats from the meaningless season-finale versus San Francisco the figure drops to even less than 70 ypg.

The AFC conference final will be the Patriots' fifth rematch this season. A look at rushing yards allowed from earlier 1st games compared to their rematchs illustrates once again how much NE's rushing D has improved.

(Opp,Game 1,Game 2)

IND 202,46
BUF 130,50
NYJ 106, 46 (C. Martin only 33 yards. He had 79 last week vs Pitt.)
MIA 81,52
PIT 221,???

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Pitt's 221 rushing yards came on 49 carries. They will not have the time to have so many rushing attempts Sunday since New England will improve on their 17 minute time of possesion in game one. (They abandoned the run after falling behind 21-3 early.)

Also, despite NE's only 5 yards rushing you cannot say Pitt was stuffing the run all day. The Pats only had 5 rushing attempts! This will change.

If Pitt JUST tries to run Bettis between the tackles they will not accomplish much offensively. The BEST they could hope for would be to win a 10-7 type game if their defense excels.

Remember Carolina started out just trying to pound Stephen Davis in the Super Bowl and that got them absolutely nowhere. Only after being succesful with the pass were they able to tire the New England defense and open it up for DeShaun Foster.

Likewise in game one you can point to Pitt's 221 rushing yards, but most of them came AFTER they had already spurted to a 21-3 lead. It took effective passing early to open things up and I would expect that to be the case again this time. The run will not work unless they can 1st make NE respect the pass.

Personally, I see reasons to take both sides and don't feel there's any value taking either one. Why risk your money going against the #1 defense or a potential dynasty when there are many more interesting wagers to be had?


I will be looking at potential middles and prop bets this weekend.
 

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Hello El Iguana...

Thank you very much for the kind words and the nice indepth reply on your part, the answer your question is....No...I am not strickly a fundamental handcapper, personally I don't believe in placing my faith in doing things one way and one way only.

As I outlined above in my original analysis, I do put alot of weight into how each team will matchup against one another but I am also a strong believer in situational analysis with regard to what factors surround each teams entrance into any given contest.

I don't know if you realized it or not, but Pittsburgh entered their previous meeting against the pats fresh off of a bye week while the pats came in off of a divisional game against the jets, however, the pats had played their three previous games at home....meaning that the pats were not road weary or tired in the least.

This scheduling situation was one of the primary reasons that the pats were installed as FG favorites in the first meeting, which is odd when considering the fact that the pats were 6-0 straight up and 4-0-2 ATS on the year prior to playing Pittsburgh and in the pats two previous road games had been installed as 8.5 favs at Arizona and installed as 5.5 favs at Buffalo...both patriot win and covers.

A check back to see how these two teams have fared since the start of the 2001 season shows that new england has accumulated a straight up record of 55-16 which includes seven post season wins, meanwhile, Pittsburgh has posted a mark of 47-21-1 straight up over the same span and includes a post season mark of 2-2.

As I just pointed out the pats have gone 55-16 straight up since 2001, oddly enough 11 of those 16 losses have taken place on the road and 13 of the 16 losses have been against fellow AFC opponents.

With regard to your question "If NE and Miami played again today, would you put your $$ on Miami to win again?", oddly enough the pats split their seasonal record against the phins in 2001, 2002 and 2004 with all three losses happening at Miami...so it might be a good idea to wager on those phins when the pats come to town again.

Excluding the two Super Bowls the pats have played in and won because those games occurred at a neutral site, we see that four of the pats five remaining playoff wins occurred on the patriots home field, the one playoff game the pats won on the road in a rivals backyard took place in Pittsburgh and won by the patriots 24-17 as 10 point visiting dogs, in that game the pats returned a blocked field goal for a TD and also had a punt return for a TD...thus 14 of the 24 points new england scored in that game were the result of two plays.

Don't be fooled my friend, the pressure is squarely on the pats shoulders in this contest because they are expected to win, Pittsburgh on the other hand is playing to a home crowd and will use the "Doggie Card" to their advantage.

My projected score on this contest has Pittsburgh winning 23-16, once again thank you very much for the reply and good luck!

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Opposing QB's have completed 58.6% of their passes against the patriots ( 11th in the NFL ) while Pittsburgh only allows 55.6% ( 4th in the NFL ), when it comes to rushing defense Pittsburgh is ranked #1 in the NFL allowing 81 yards per game with a per pop average of 3.6, meanwhile, the patriots are ranked 6th and allow 99 yards per game with a per pop average of 3.9.

On the road opposing QBs have completed 61.7% vs Pats
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/patriots/road.htm


At home oppoing QBs have complated 54.9% vs Pitt
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/steelers/homestat.htm
 

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deb you get major kudos for this writeup! doubtfull anyone really reads this carefully as im sure some will be looking to poke holes thru your analysis.but you know your football girl and thats intimidating to many here i believe. you did a great job deb and grabbing the points here is not only what vegas and those who take our money want it may be the only way to go.i know others here make thier own lines and i do too. this game is an absolute pickem. does anyone else believe this id like to hear. we know football,and most every sport too,is retrodictive as are all things cyclical. what was will be again.the steelers were a home dog only twice this year winning easily against the pats and eagles. i know others here have a database. between 97 and 2002 playing on the road team in the conference finals went 8-3-1 ats for 73%.underdogs are 7-2-1 ats and 6-4 SU since 98. this was taken out of a great systems book i got 2 years ago in vegas. but i dont know how that worked last year.retrodictive capping isnt always wrong.~RG
 

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Steelers Vs Eagles Super Bowl!!

DEB, I am with you here. Just hope the Eagles win and can beat these Steelers some how. Every Champion goes down as a favorite!!! The changing of the guard. ML looks good too. Glad to see you make a stand with your own thread.
 

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Here's the press conference...

http://cachewww.patriots.com/search/index.cfm?ac=searchdetail&pid=10504&pcid=41

Here's the question

Q: Each week you say that there were things that you could have done differently. After last week's performance, is it possible for your defense to play better, or do you go in and tell your guys, 'Hey if we play like that, the way we played against the Colts, we have a good chance of beating Pittsburgh?'

BB: Well, there is no way. If we play like we did against the Colts, we'll get killed. It'll be a lot worse than whatever it was out there the last time, because Pittsburgh is not the Colts. And the Colts are not Pittsburgh. You're talking about two totally different teams. The things that we did against the Colts, if we tried to do them against the Steelers, it would be 55-0. Maybe worse that that. That might be if they kneel on the ball like they did at the end of the game last time. This is a totally different team, that has a totally different style of play that you have to defend and attack totally differently than in the Indianapolis game. There's almost nothing that I would carry over or correlate from that game to this game. We couldn't make a bigger mistake than trying to do that in my opinion. You're talking about as different as you could possibly be.


It's not really a "mind game" by Belichick it's more a statement of the obvious.
 

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Deb.....nice write-up. But watch out w/talking about "meaningless stats" and then saying "opposing QB's have completed 58.6% of their passes against the patriot while Pittsburgh only allows 55.6." Wow, really? 3 points more? I mean really, who cares.

As to your game analysis, think you're missing it with the "smoke & mirrors" idea. You can only bluff for a game or two--that's not what's getting it done for the Pats. If Tyrone Poole came back 100% tomorrow, he wouldn't start. Randall Gay's a better ballplayer. Ty Law would play, of course, but the drop-off to Asante Samuel isn't as huge as you might think. Don't fall into the trap of thinking the Pats aren't healthy.

You're referencing the first Pitt-NE game....BIG MISTAKE. It's really meaningless. Get this--Ty Law, Corey Dillon, and Matt Light (stalwart of the O-Line) went out THAT DAY. BELIEVE me, and I say this to help, THROW THAT GAME OUT.

I think you've already made your plays--and hell, there's a huge snow storm coming, you never know--but if you want some good advice, if you have played on the Steelers, reverse it, write off the juice and play the Pats. New England wins this game.


Hello Grogan..

Thank you for your kind words, but please understand that the meaningless stats, trends and systems to which I refer are those that date back to the point of being futile to include into one's game analysis because they in all likelyhood will have no bearing on the game in question.

For example, I saw posted somewhere this "Meaningless stat":

When playing in the post season away from home and including the Super Bowl the pats have gone 6-6-1 ATS.

Is the above a true statement? Yes it is, however, if you would double check that supposed meaningful statistic you would find that it dates back to 1977 and that the pats were only installed as a favorite one time in those 13 post season games....which was last year when the pats were Super Bowl favorites over Carolina.

Why would anyone want to include in their final analysis statistics that date back to 1977 when in fact the pats have no current players, coaches, management or for that matter the same ownership that they did in 1977?

In my opinion statistics are indeed a powerful tool and must be included in one's overall game analysis, however, you've got to be sure that the stats you are using are pertinent to the handicap itself...that is what I was trying to point out.

take care and good luck!

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Deb good point in saying that Pitt controlled both Off and Def line in that 1st game! Let me tell you something thats where all the games are decided and i feel Pitt will have the advantage again in this rematch!!
 

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Deb,

Well, I totally agree with that, but I'd go one further, that stats in general really have to be minimized, because there are just so many permutations that can alter how a game is viewed. I (or you) could easily write up something persuasive on either side for pretty much every game backed up by stats. So I'm real leery of pretty much all of them.

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Deb, you make great arguments for taking the Steelers +3. But my experience with NE has been that--despite any situational, statistical, or fundamental edges to the contrary--NE continues to find ways to win big games. I guess I can't iterate here and now why I believe they will win, other than that I have seen them do it so many times before.

I think NE wins by exactly 3 points, so I don't see value in either side +/- 3. My plan is to let the total (dropping like a stone as bettors find out about the "noreaster") get as low as possible by gametime and then tease the Steelers and the over. (I posted a thread on this strategy if you're interested.) GL :suomi:

Roxygurl, thanks for your input and for bringing a new term into the lexicon..."retrodictive." I can't find it in my dictionary. By context, I assume it means "past facts or trends determining present or future events." Did you make it up, or is my dictionary out of date? :icon_conf Even if you made it up, I like it! I'll work it into my next conversation in an attempt to sound more intelligent than I am.
 

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However, after a slow start New England's rushing D has stepped it up! Since the Pitt game they are only allowing 75 yards rushing per game, which is six ypg better than Pitt's league-leading unit. If you discard the stats from the meaningless season-finale versus San Francisco the figure drops to even less than 70 ypg.


Hello Berlino..

Thank you very much for taking the time to read my thoughts on this matchup, with regard to your mentioning that the pats rush defense has played better over the course of the second half of the season....statisically you are of course correct.

However, I would point out that in the patriots final seven games to close out the regular season they only played two teams that ended up having a winning season ( Balt 9-7 and Jets 10-6 ), the combined win/loss record of the patriots final seven opponents was 44-68 and the patriots posted a mark of 6-1 straight up in those final seven games with the 29-28 loss taking place at Miami.

Taking a look at Pittsburgh's final seven games to close out their regular season we see that the Steelers posted a mark of 7-0 straight up in those games and faced four teams that ended up having a winning season, they were the Jags 9-7, Jets 10-6, Balt 9-7 and Buff 9-7...Pittsburgh's final seven opponents of the regular season posted a combined win/loss record of 57-55 straight up.

Thus a strong arguement could be made that Pittsburgh played against much stronger competition coming down the stretch of the second half of the regular season.

take care and good luck!

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deb you get major kudos for this writeup! doubtfull anyone really reads this carefully as im sure some will be looking to poke holes thru your analysis.but you know your football girl and thats intimidating to many here i believe. you did a great job deb and grabbing the points here is not only what vegas and those who take our money want it may be the only way to go.i know others here make thier own lines and i do too. this game is an absolute pickem.

Hey roxygurl...

Howya do'in girl?

Thank you for the kind words and I agree whole-heartedly with you in that this game should have been a Pk'em at most, heading into the playoffs I thought this would be the matchup we would see in the AFC Championship game and actually projected that the patriots would be installed as 2 or 3 point dogs at Pittsburgh because they would be playing on the road and not in a neutral setting in a playoff game for the first time in four years and because the pats had been beaten so badly at Pittsburgh earlier in the year.

<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p>Imagine my delight when the oddsmakers installed Pittsburgh as a home dog to the patriots! It must be remembered that the point spread is designed to garner equal betting action and is not meant to be a true indicator of how one team should fare against another, with that said my numbers suggest a huge overlay in this contest as I have Pittsburgh winning by the final score of 23-16.

take care and good luck!

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DEB, I am with you here. Just hope the Eagles win and can beat these Steelers some how. Every Champion goes down as a favorite!!! The changing of the guard. ML looks good too. Glad to see you make a stand with your own thread.
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Hello dubpoet..

I am with you on the Eagles and snagged them from the outset when the line first opened at -4.5 and like you also believe that we will see a Pennsylvania Super Bowl.

take care and good luck

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Thanks for your contributions and good luck the rest of the way. :103631605
 

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Can someone tell me the last time N.E lost a play-off game? Can someone tell me the last time Pittsburgh lost a play-off game? Stats are Stats, Facts are Facts, and the fact is three years ago N.E beat Pittsburgh and went on to win the Superbowl.
 

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Can someone tell me the last time N.E lost a play-off game? Can someone tell me the last time Pittsburgh lost a play-off game? ...

No, I cannot tell you the last time NE lost a playoff game.

However, all I really care about is the point$pread, so I can tell you the last time NE failed to cover as a post-season favorite. The Super Bowl. Strangely the Pats only went 1-2-1 ATS as post-season favorites during their 2 Super Bowl championship seasons. The push was thanks to the infamous "tuck" rule. The one favorite cover was last year -2.5 versus the defenseless Colt team.
 

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Can someone tell me the last time N.E lost a play-off game? Can someone tell me the last time Pittsburgh lost a play-off game? Stats are Stats, Facts are Facts, and the fact is three years ago N.E beat Pittsburgh and went on to win the Superbowl.

The 2001 AFC Championship game held in Pittsburgh was the last time that the pats actually played a road playoff game, it'll be interesting to see how THEY handle a hostile playoff crowd.

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